The Milne Family
An historical and photographic perspective
Thomas Milne & Margaret
Spalding | Alexander
Milne & Elizabeth Fletcher |
Alexander Milne & Agnes
The names of Thomas Milne, Alexander Milne, Sr., Alexander Milne, Jr. & Thomas Milne all appear in the Wedderburn books.
Thomas Milne and Margaret Spalding had at least three children: Peter, ALEXANDER and Thomas.
* Information from "The
Wedderburn book. A history of the Wedderburns in the counties of
Berwick and Forfar, 1296-1896." The above entry
The above entryclearly establishes the identity of Thomas Milne of Milnefield as the brother of Alexander Milne, merchant and Burgess of Dundee whose daughter was Janet Milne. Janet is the sister of Alexander Milne the Minister. This is an important distinction to be made at this time in order to understand the various relationships in the Milne family and between the Milnes of Milnefield and the Milnes of Muirtoun. See also Thomas Mylne of Mylnefield
The remains of hundreds of bodies - believed to have been victims of the Siege of Dundee in 1651- have been disinterred in Nethergate.The skeletons, mostly in separate skulls and bones were about three feet down in the trench evacuated along the frontage of the City Churches. The trench is to hold a new water main necessary under the central redevelopment scheme.Apparently the bodies were just buried in a mass grave. The skeletons were not in any line, just lying as they had been thrown in on top of each other. It was towards the end of July 1651 that General Monk appeared at the gates of Dundee and summoned the Governor to surrender. When he refused, the siege was pressed with vigour, but the garrison and townspeople defied Monk's efforts for weeks. The town was stormed on September 1, and after a sharp resistance, lay at the mercy of the besiegers. It is recorded that Monk imposed no restraint on his soldiers. Along with Lumsden, there were between 700 and 800 of the garrison and townsmen in a wild slaughter. One writer recorded that 200 women and children were massacred. - from Bygone Dundee, Dundee City Government
DNA: Jeff Waugh has an Ancestry.com DNA match with Paul Lott with Alexander Milne & Elizabeth Fletcher in his tree. Jeff also has an Ancestry.com DNA match with Gail Ball who has Alexander Milne & Elizabeth Fletcher in her tree.
Alexander Milne was a merchant, Baillie for the Burgh of Dundee and also Burgess. He and Elizabeth Fletcher had at least five children: Thomas; ALEXANDER; Peter; Margaret,; and Janet. Elizabeth Fletcher's father was Andrew Fletcher, Dundee.
* Information from "The Wedderburn book. A history of the Wedderburns in the counties of Berwick and Forfar, 1296-1896."
Margaret Milne married Robert Lindsay and after his death she married Alexander Wedderburn of Kingenny and later Easter Powrie.
During a period of relative peace between Scotland and England, the status of Dundee as a royal burgh was reconfirmed (in The Great Charter of Charles I, dated 14 September 1641). However, with the outbreak of the Wars of the Three Kingdoms in 1644, Dundee began to suffer at the hands of nobles loyal to the King. The Royalist James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose besieged Dundee in April 1645. On 1 September 1651, during the Third English Civil War, the English Parliamentarians invaded Scotland. General Monck, commander of Cromwell's forces in Scotland, captured Dundee. His troops pillaged the royal burgh, destroying much of it and killing up to 2,000 of the 12,000 inhabitants. John Graham, 1st Viscount Dundee raised the Stuart standard on Dundee Law in 1689. For this early contribution to the Jacobite uprising, Graham quickly earned the name Bonnie Dundee. - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Dundee
Dundee was a royalist stronghold. Indeed, Charles II wrote to town clerk Alexander Wedderburn from exile in Brussels on July 6, 1649 to thank the clerk and its inhabitants for their faithful services to the late Charles I. The walled town was among the safest in Britain and the city of Edinburgh lodged its gold reserves there. The wealth of the viscount of Newburgh and the earls of Tweeddale and Buccleuch were also kept in the town. Dundee's monarchist stance enraged republican statesman Oliver Cromwell, who had overcome royalist forces south of the border in 1649.
To take revenge, Monck, who was Cromwell's commander-in-chief in Scotland. laid siege to Dundee in August 1651 with his Puritan army of 7.000. He recruited a short young man who, because of his size and appearance, could join the games of the town's children, inside and outside the walls, as a cover for spying. He reported that Dundee's soldiers were usually drunk by lunchtime. So after breaching the town's northern wall with three days of cannon fire. Monck waited until he thought the guards were drunk before he attacked.
To spur on his troops he promised them they could pillage the town for 24 hours "without licence" if they got in. The sozzled guards defended the breach for just 15 minutes before the invaders flooded through. Dundee governer Robert Lumsden and a band of men retreated to the town's Old Steeple and made a stand for three days, despite attempts to smoke them out. They surrendered when they were promised "honourable terms" but Lumsden and his men were promptly executed and his head was displayed in the town on a spike.
Monck's army had by then rounded up most of the town's surrendering defenders and massacred them. They then set about pillaging the town, raping the women and killing men, women and children for three days. Up to 500 were slaughtered. Stories tell that Monck's conscience only got the better of him when he saw an infant trying to suckle on the slashed breast of its murdered mother.
At the end of the attack. Monck decided to take his loot to Leith and commandeered more than 60 ships from Dundee's harbour. The treasure-laden vessels set sail in early September 1651. But the closely-crowded fleet did not get far before disaster struck. Monck's chaplain. Dr Gumble, wrote: "The ships were cast away within sight of the town, the great wealth perished."Monck's ship, which was one of the biggest, did not sink but he watched in despair as his treasure was lost ~ with about 200 of his men drowned.
- from Scot Wars
Alexander Milne, Baillie of the Burgh of Dundee and his son Thomas were killed in the The Siege of Dundee, 1651.
The above entry establishes the identity of Thomas Milne of Milnefield as the brother of Alexander Milne, merchant and Burgess of Dundee whose daughter was Janet Milne. Janet is thesister of Alexander Milne the Minister.
Alexander Milne (of Muirtoun) was the Minister of Longforgan and Dundee and Magister and Burgess of Dundee (Dec 10, 1663). Agnes Fletcher's father was James Fletcher. Alexander Mylne was the Minister of Longforgan from 1649 to 1661 when he transferred to Dundee. Alexander Milne and Agnes Fletcher had "four sons and one daughter" (from above), but they had at least two boys and two girls (and may have had more): Margaret (born Dec 10, 1658); George (born Aug 9, 1660), both born in Longforgan Parish; John (born Feb 3, 1663); and Janet (born Jan 26, 1665), both born in Dundee. - from Scotland's People OPR's
* Information from "The Wedderburn book. A history of the Wedderburns in the counties of Berwick and Forfar, 1296-1896."
Alexander Mylne. Settled, 1649. — By King Charles' charter, the burgh had now the patronage of the kirk of Longforgan.
Several years passed before a settlement was effected. It might be supposed that this was due to irritation at the lairds and the parishioners who had frowned,at the rights of the town, or that it was due to the greed of the burgh in seeking to get the tithes for the use of the common good. But the records of the city show that the matter was early discussed by the Council, which "considering how necessary it is that the kirk be weill provided with ane able and qualifeit man for serving the cure there, and being informed of the literature and qualification of Mr. Alexander Mylne, expectant in divinity, resolved and ordained that ane presentation be drawn up to him to the kirk and modifest stipend."
Mylne was the son of one of the bailies. He studied at St. Andrews, where he got his degree in 1639. Ten years later, he was admitted to Longforgan.
In 1661 he was translated to the Second Charge, or South Church of Dundee. He died four years after, in 1665, about the age of forty-seven. "He was proprietor of the town and lands of Pilmore, and bequeathed to the kirk-session j° xxxiii li. vi s. viij d. for behoof of the poor. He marr. Agnes Fletcher, and had four sons and a daugh. Alexander served heir ioth Nov. 1666, James, Thomas, George, and Margaret. His lady, 'of her voluntary goodness, gifted and dedicated, 24th July 1659, table cloths and .towels to the service of the kirk of Longforgan in all tyme heir after.'"
Alexander Mylne's father, the bailie, and his brother Thomas, are both supposed to have perished during the siege of Dundee in 1651, the latter at the early age of twenty-two. There are two stones in the Howff placed by Alexander, which record in a glowing way the:r worth, t he one to his brother bears that it was put , up by Magister Alex. Milne, Pastor Forgonen-sis (Mr. Alex. Milne, minister of Longforgan). It was of Mr. Mylne that Earl Patrick borrowed a bed when he came to Castle Lyon in 1660.
The Parish of
Longforgan, Chapter IX. A list of the Minister in
Longforgan, with biographical notes and glimpses of parish
life, by Rev. Adam Philip, 1895
Alexander Milne, Minister of Dundee, died in Dundee at the age of 47. See Inventory of Mr. Alexander Milne, Late Minister at Dundee.
June 20, 1666...
Extract Registered Assignation by Alexander Milne, one of the Ministers of Dundee, To Alexander Milne eldest son of him and Agnes Flesher, his Spouse, of several sums of money in the different Bonds therein mentioned. - National Archives of Scotland GD305/1/150/58
March 13, 1684...
Discharge by Janet Miln, lawful daughter of the late Mr Alexander Miln elder of Muirtoun with advice of her curators, narrating that the late Janet Miln her father's sister, left as a legacy to her 1000 merks; and by her testament did appoint Margaret Miln, spouse of Alexander Wedderburne of Easter Powrie, now deceased, her executrix; and that Alexander Wedderburne now of Easter Powrie as his father's executor has given bond of date 22 February 1684, for payment of the said 1000 merks, therefore the granter discharges the said Alexander Wedderburn, and the said Margaret Miln of the said sum of 1000 merks. - from National Archives of Scotland, GD137/3064
June 13, 1690...
Discharge by Thomas Milne of Milnefield, only lawful son and heir of the late Mr Alexander Miln, one of the ministers of Dundee, narrating legacy of 1000 merks by Janet Milne daughter of the late Alexander Miln merchant burgess of Dundee the granter's grandfather, by her testament, dated 12 February 1668, confirmed at Brechin 22 March 1669; providing that the rent thereof should be paid yearly to such person or persons as should be presented thereto by the late Alexander Wedderburne of Easter Powrie, and the late Alexander Milne eldest son of the said Mr Alexander Milne. And the said Janet ordained her sister Margaret Milne, wife of the said Alexander Wedderburne, her sole executor, to pay the said sum for which the said Alexander Wedderburne got discharge from the master of the hospital of Dundee on giving bond for the amount, under the condition aforesaid as to the payment of the rent thereof. And now Alexander Wedderburne now of Easter Powrie, having made payment to the granter of 1000 merks, and one year's annualrent thereof, the same is hereby discharged. Cancelled. - from National Archives of scotland GD137/3082
The above record is the only one we have found (so far) that indicates that Thomas Milne of Milnefield is the son of Alexander Milne, Minister of Dundee, and not Thomas Milne of Muirtoun. This seems to contradict another entry from the same day inserted at the top of this page:
The above entry clearly establishes the identity of Thomas Milne of Milnefield as the brother of Alexander Milne, merchant and Burgess of Dundee whose daughter was Janet Milne. Janet is thesister of Alexander Milne the Minister. This is an important distinction to be made at this time in order to understand the various relationships in the Milne family and between the Milnes of Milnefield and the Milnes of Muirtoun.
Thomas Milne (of Muirtoun) and Helen Wedderburn were married in Edinburgh on Feb 21, 1679 and they had at least two children: Alexander (born in Edinburgh on Dec 18, 1679); and Thomas (born in Dundee on May 9, 1684). - from Scotland's People OPR's
Muirtown and Milnefield
The Wedderburn Family
Helen Wedderburn's father was Alexander Wedderburn (born March 2, 1610) and she was born in Dundee on March 2, 1646. Alexander Wedderburn (1610-1675) of Blackness, Clerk of Dundee and Knight of Ripon was the eldest son of James Wedderburn and Margaret Goldman (daughter of James Goldman of Dundee who were married in Dundee in 1608. James Wedderburn's (1589-1627) father was Alexander Wedderburn (First Baron of Kingennie) and his grandparents were Alexander Wedderburn and Janet Milne. Helen Wedderburn's mother was Matilda Fletcher (1620-1704) and her grandfather was James Fletcher, Provost of Dundee.
Note that "Alexander Mylne... Baillies" witnessed Alexander Wedderburn's (child 2) birth and "Alexander Mylne, parsone of forgone" witnessed Alexander Wedderburn's (child 5) birth. These are probably the father and grandfather of the Thomas Milne who married Helen Wedderburn.
Sir Alexander Wedderburn died in
1673 at the age of 63 and is buried in the Howff Cemetery,
See Wedderburn Family Plot
Thomas Milne & Helen Wedderburn
Thomas Milne & Helen Wedderburn
1679. Feb. 20. — Contract of marriage between Thomas Miln
of Muirtowne and Helen Wedderburn, Lady Heartrie made with
the consent of Sir Peter Wedderburne of Gosford, and George
Wedderburne, merchant, in Edinburgh, her brother. Signed by
the contracting and consenting parties, and witnessed by .lohn,
Peter and Alexander Wedderburn (three sons of Sir Peter),
and A. Wedderburn. (See facsimile opposite. The last-named
witness, A. Wedderburn, is, no doubt, the bride's nephew,
Alexander Wedderburn, afterwards second baronet of
Blackness. The contract also names Agnes Fletcher, mother to
Thomas Miln, and refers to the former contract of marriage,
13 May 1665, made between Helen W., with consent of Sir
Alex. W. of Blackness, her father, and David Dickson of
Heartrie, second son of the deceast John D. of M.) 1681. Jan, 13. —
1679. Feb. 20. — Contract of marriage between Thomas Miln of Muirtowne and Helen Wedderburn, Lady Heartrie made with the consent of Sir Peter Wedderburne of Gosford, and George Wedderburne, merchant, in Edinburgh, her brother. Signed by the contracting and consenting parties, and witnessed by .lohn, Peter and Alexander Wedderburn (three sons of Sir Peter), and A. Wedderburn. (See facsimile opposite. The last-named witness, A. Wedderburn, is, no doubt, the bride's nephew, Alexander Wedderburn, afterwards second baronet of Blackness. The contract also names Agnes Fletcher, mother to Thomas Miln, and refers to the former contract of marriage, 13 May 1665, made between Helen W., with consent of Sir Alex. W. of Blackness, her father, and David Dickson of Heartrie, second son of the deceast John D. of M.)
1681. Jan, 13. —John Wedderbum of Blackness is named as mother's next of kin to Janet, daughter of the late Mr. Alexander Milne of Muirtoun, minister of Dundee. (93.)
Ed. Note: This verifies the connection between the Thomas Milne of Muirtoun (who married Helen Wedderburn) and his father Alexander Milne, Minister.
1681. June 8. — Decreet anent letters of suspension raised by John Dickson ofHairtrie, and John Wedderburn of Blackness, John Wedderburn of Gosford, Thomas Milne of Muirtoun, George Wedderburn, merchant in Edinburgh, his curators, and others, v. Mr. William Alesone, minister of Kilbucho. as to payment of his stipend out of the lands of Hairtrie. The decreet names — Wedderburn, mother of the said John Dickson, as life-rentrix of the said lands. (Mac. 61.)
1688. ('<) April 5. — Bond (I Aug. 1682) by the said George Wedderburn to Thomas Milne of Muirtown for 600 merks. Dated at Burntisland, (b) Bond (Edinburgh, 23 Nov. 1633) by the same to the same for 2,500 merks. (Mac. 62 )...
1690. June 13. — Discharge aud assignation by Alexander Wedderburn of Easter Powrie, eldest lawful son and heir of the late AlexanderWedderburn of Easter Powrie, reciting a legacy by Janet Milne, daughter of the late Alexander Milne, merchant, burgess of Dundee, in favour of the poor of Dundee, left in trust to the said late Alexander Wedderburn, of Easter Powrie, aud the late Alexander Milne, eldest son to her brother german, the late Mr. Alexander Milne, minister in Dundee ; aud also reciting that Margaret Milne, her sister german, and spouse to the said late Alexander Wedderburn, was her executrix, and assigning all the rights, &c, of the assignor, under the said will, to Thomas Milne, of Milnefield, brother and heir of the said Alexander Milne, merchant. viii, iv, 1 6.
1691. Oct 22 - Will of Alexander Wedderburn of Easter Powrie
- From "The Wedderburn book. A history of the Wedderburns in the counties of Berwick and Forfar, 1296-1896, v.2."
ED. NOTE: The connection to Thomas Milne & Agnes Constable is inconclusive...
Thomas Milne married Agnes Constable in Dundee on May 16, 1706. A Thomas Milne was born on April 16, 1707 in Rescobie but only the father's name of Thomas was given on the OPR. Thomas Milne and his wife (mother not identified on OPR) had at least three children born in Barry: Alexander (born Nov 30, 1709); SUSANNA (born Nov 30, 1711); and Joan (or Jean, born Jan 29, 1714). - from Scotland's People OPR
* Spouse of David Dalrymple
Susanna Milne married Thomas Aimer on Dec 21, 1732, in Carnoustie, Barry.